Unholy Trinity

Pulpit Magazine December 11, 2009

(By John MacArthur)

I don't watch much television, and when I do I generally avoid the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). For many years TBN has been dominated by faith-healers, full-time fund-raisers, and self-proclaimed prophets spewing heresy. I wrote about the false gospel they proclaim and the phony miracles they pretend to do almost two decades ago in Charismatic Chaos (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992. See especially chapter 12). I had my fill of charismatic televangelism while researching that book, and I can hardly bear to watch it any more.

Recently, however, while recovering from knee-replacement surgery, I decided to sample some of the current fare on TBN. From a therapeutic point of view it seemed a good choice: something more excruciating than the pain in my leg might distract me from the physical suffering of post-surgical trauma. And I suppose on that basis the strategy was effective.

But it left me outraged and frustrated—and eager to challenge the misperceptions in the minds of millions of unbelievers who see these false teachers masquerading as ministers of Christ on TBN.

I'm outraged at the brazen way so many false teachers twist the message of Scripture in Jesus' name. And I'm frustrated because I'm certain that if these charlatans were not receiving a large proportion of their financial support from sincere believers (and silent acquiescence from Christian leaders who surely know better), they would have no platform for their shenanigans. They would soon lose their core constituency and fade from the scene.

Instead, religious quacks are actually multiplying at a frightening pace. One thing I discovered to my immense displeasure is that TBN is by no means the only religious network broadcasting poisonous false doctrine around the clock. The channel lineup I receive includes at least seven other channels whose schedules are filled with false teachers and charlatans. There's The Church Channel, Daystar, GodTV, World Harvest Television (LeSEA), Total Christian Television, and several others. Some of them feature blocs of family television programing and a few fairly sound teachers who provide moments of escape from the prosperity preachers. But all of them give prominence to enormous amounts of heresy and religious claptrap—enough to make them positively dangerous. And TBN is singularly responsible for kicking that door open so wide.

The continued growth and influence of TBN is baffling for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the thick aura of lust, greed, and other kinds of moral impropriety that surrounds the whole enterprise. A long string of scandals involving notable charismatic televangelists between 1988 and 1992 should have been sufficient reason for even the most credulous viewers to scrutinize the entire industry with skepticism. First came the international spectacle of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's moral, marital, and financial collapse. That was followed closely by the revelation of Jimmy Swaggart's repeated dalliances with prostitutes. Shortly afterward, an episode of ABC's Primetime Live exposed clear examples of deliberate fraud on the part of three more leading charismatic televangelists. Those incidents were punctuated by a score of lesser scandals over several years' time. It is clear (or should be)—based on empirical evidence alone—that preachers promising miracles in exchange for money are not to be trusted. And for anyone who simply bothers to compare Jesus' teaching with the health-and-wealth message, it is clear that the message that currently dominates religious television is "a different gospel; which is really not another" (Galatians 1:6-7), but a damnable lie.

TBN is by far the leading perpetrator of that lie worldwide. Virtually all the network's main celebrities tell listeners that God will give them healing, wealth, and other material blessings in return for their money. On program after program people are urged to "plant a seed" by sending "the largest bill you have or the biggest check you can write" with the promise that God will miraculously make them rich in return. That same message dominates all of TBN's major fundraising drives. It's known as the "seed faith" plan, so-called by Oral Roberts, who set the pattern for most of the charismatic televangelists who have followed the trail he blazed. Paul Crouch, founder, chairman, and commander-in-chief of TBN, is one of the doctrine's staunchest defenders.

The only people who actually get rich by this scheme, of course, are the televangelists. Their people who send money get little in return but phony promises—and as a result, many of them turn away from the truth completely.

If the scheme seems reminiscent of Tetzel, that's because it is precisely the same doctrine. (Tetzel was a medieval monk whose high-pressure selling of indulgences—phony promises of forgiveness—outraged Martin Luther and touched off the Protestant Reformation.)

Like Tetzel, TBN preys on the poor and plies them with false promises. Yet what is happening daily on TBN is many times worse than the abuses that Luther decried because it is more widespread and more flagrant. The medium is more high-tech and the amounts bilked out of viewers' pockets are astronomically higher. (By most estimates, TBN is worth more than a billion dollars and rakes in $200 million annually. Those are direct contributions to the network, not counting millions more in donations sent directly to TBN broadcasters.) Like Tetzel on steroids, the Crouches and virtually all the key broadcasters on TBN live in garish opulence, while constantly begging their needy viewers for more money. Elderly, poor, and working-class viewers constitute TBN's primary demographic. And TBN's fundraisers all know that. The most desperate people—"unemployed," "even though I'm in between jobs," "trying to make it; trying to survive," "broke"—are baited with false promises to give what they do not even have. Jan Crouch addresses viewers as "you little people," and suggests that they send their grocery money to TBN "to assure God's blessing."

Thus TBN devours the poor while making the charlatans rich. God cursed false prophets in the Old Testament for that very thing (Jeremiah 6:13-15). It's also one of the main reasons the Pharisees incurred Jesus' condemnation (Luke 20:46-47). It's hard to think of any sin more evil. It not only hurts people materially; it deludes them with groundless hope, deceives them with a false gospel, and thereby places their souls in eternal peril. And yet those who do it pretend they are doing the work of God.

That's not all. Almost no false prophecy, erroneous doctrine, rank superstition, or silly claim is too outlandish to receive airtime on TBN. Jan Crouch tearfully gives a fanciful account of how her pet chicken was miraculously raised from the dead. Benny Hinn trumps that claim with a bizarre prophecy that if TBN viewers will put their dead loved ones' caskets in front of television set and touch the dead person's hand to the screen, people will "be raised from the dead . . . by the thousands."

Ironically, one doesn't even need to be an orthodox Trinitarian in order to broadcast on the Trinity network. Bishop T. D. Jakes, well known for his rejection of the Nicene creed in favor of oneness Pentecostalism, is a staple on TBN. Benny Hinn has repeatedly attempted to revise the doctrine of the Trinity in novel ways, notoriously teaching at one point that there are nine persons in the godhead.

And yet evangelical church leaders typically show a kind of benign tolerance toward the whole enterprise. Most would never endorse it, of course. They may joke about the gaudiness of the big hair and tawdry set decorations on TBN. Ask them, and they will most likely acknowledge that the prosperity gospel is no gospel at all. Press the issue, and you will probably get them to admit that it is a dangerous form of false doctrine, totally unbiblical, and essentially anti-Christian.

Why, then, is there no large-scale effort among Bible-believing evangelicals to expose, denounce, refute, and silence these false teachers? After all, that is what Scripture commands church leaders to do when we encounter purveyors of soul-destroying substitutes for the true gospel:

The overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain (Titus 1:7-11).

Those who remain silent in the face of such grotesque lies may in fact be partly responsible for turning people away from the truth. Consider the testimony of William Lobdell, religion reporter for the Los Angeles Times, who once considered himself a devout evangelical Christian, but after doing a series of investigative reports on the moral and doctrinal cesspool at TBN; then "finding that his investigative stories about faith healer Benny Hinn and televangelists Jan and Paul Crouch appear to make no difference on the reach of these ministries or the lives of their followers, he [gave] up on the beat and on religion generally."

All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and opposing these lies that masquerade as truth. If we fail in that duty because of indifference, apathy, or a craving for the approval of men, we are no less guilty than those who actively spread the lies.

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1 Mary Palshan Fri, Dec 11, 2009 12:38.25 AM

Excellent, excellent article. I like how Charles Spurgeon put it, too, "Silence in the face of heresy is treason to God" I quote this to everyone who supports false doctrines.

"All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and opposing these lies that masquerade as truth. If we fail in that duty because of indifference, apathy, or a craving for the approval of men, we are no less guilty than those who actively spread the lies." AMEN!!!

More later....., just happened to catch this early in the morning.




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2 Michael McGrath Fri, Dec 11, 2009 01:39.01 AM

Wonderful article! Thanks Pastor John for your faithfulness to the Word.

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3 Lance Roberts Fri, Dec 11, 2009 03:32.48 AM

A bum knee is not always a bad thing is it? Praise the Lord for allowing you to see these things and call others to preach the truth in the face of these unthinkable heresies.

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4 William du Plooy Fri, Dec 11, 2009 05:50.31 AM

Acts 20:29-31
" For I KNOW this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in AMONG YOU, not sparing the flock. Also FROM AMONG YOURSELVES men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples AFTER THEMSELVES. Therefore watch, and rememb...er that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears."

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5 Timothy Shumate Fri, Dec 11, 2009 06:10.07 AM

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6 Bill Null Fri, Dec 11, 2009 06:28.56 AM

Praise God for men of courage! Thank you John for publically call these heretics out. I pray that others will follow your lead and clearly draw lines between biblical Christianity and this circus. We should be filled with righteous anger at anyone who would drag our Lord's name through the mud for their own financial gain, not to mention the damage done to the church by these snake-oil salesmen.

To God be the glory!

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7 Timothy Shumate Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:35.04 AM

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8 Matthew Huerta Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:36.68 AM

All of this is very true and well said.

The question I always have is whether or not to support the very few orthodox ministries that for some reason air their shows on these Laodicean channels.

On one hand, I understand wanting to be light in the middle of the incredible darkness, yet it almost seems like being a bad steward over what God has entrusted to you. Where is the line to be drawn?

Furthermore, if I was to have a show airing on one of these heretical channels hoping to bring light to the cave, I would be constrained to speak out against the other programming and the station owners.

If Kirk Cameron should catch this article, maybe he himself will comment on the decision to air WOTM on tbn and the struggle that it must be.

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9 Timothy Shumate Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:36.03 AM

If Pastors would ensure that they are warning the flock and even those who are not of the flock of God about these types of people, maybe, just maybe their (false teachers) hold would lessen. But, I can not but help think some this falls here:

2Ti 3:1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2Ti 3:6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,
2Ti 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

and also

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.


Some will heed the warning and others will not. I say we must remain faithful and call these people by name a Paul did in 1 Tim 1.

Soli Deo Gloria!

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10 Jim Kang Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:39.68 AM

A courageous call! Thank you!

A sad commentary to prominent evangelical leaders who appear in the network - e.g. David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Franklin Graham, Adrian Rogers, D. James Kennedy, and many more. I pray that they would heed to such rebuke.

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11 Ivan Mesa Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:46.97 AM

Can someone clarify something for me?

As a young believer and full of youthful pride, I often see my heart becoming overly-critical of people, especially critical of preachers. King Saul's sin was grotesque--he had defiantly disobeyed God. At one point Saul went to "relieve himself" in a cave where David and his men were (1 Sam. 24:4). David took the chance and cut off the edge of Saul's robe and yet it says that his "conscience bothered him" because he was the LORD's anointed (24:6, 7). Though Saul was full of sin and God had opposed and rejected him, David was unwilling to go against Saul and ultimately left it in God's hands.

My question is, then, how do we properly discern when to speak against persons? I know we're not cutting off the edge of any prosperity preacher's suit of private jet plane, but is any principle in this text appropriate in how we deal with false teaching, even those that God is vehemently opposed to like those who prey on the weak and helpless?

I would greatly value any insight from you men. I want to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 3) and be faithful to the gospel, but I do not want to use it as a platform for my pride.

Ivan

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12 Brandon Lucas Fri, Dec 11, 2009 08:23.5 AM

This fires me up. I stopped watching TBN years ago, but I 'm still associated with people who attend churches that teach the prosperity message. Their allegiance to a false gospel based on materialism and greed is heart-rending.
My question is, what now? Is this a battle we need to fight on an individual basis or should we unite together and raise our collective voices so that we can be heard? If so, how do we go about it? Do we need to rally around a Manhattan Declaration type of document (except with a unified stance on the definition of the true gospel) that condemns these doctrines and calls out false teachers by name?
I agree that this is Tetzel all over again. MacArthur is like Luther, sounding the battle cry. Who will join the battle and how shall we wage the war?

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13 Tim Canham Fri, Dec 11, 2009 08:48.68 AM

Ivan:

It might be helpful to remember that David didn't want to kill Saul because be was God's anointed as *King* of Israel, not a preacher. Somehow the Blab It And Grab It frauds have managed to appropriate this as applying to any preacher, especially themselves. They use this as a shield to avoid accountability and criticism. It certainly didn't stop them from wishing they had a "Holy Spirit machine gun" to take out John when he first published his book exposing them.

By contrast, the strongest language in Scripture, especially by Jesus, was directed at the false teachers of His time, notably the Pharisees. Paul was also adamant in his warnings about the Judaisers (sp?) in Galatians. We have an obligation to expose false teachers, not tolerate them in the name of unity or a wish to avoid attacking "God's Anointed."

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14 David Denny Fri, Dec 11, 2009 08:56.95 AM

I believe that my responsibility as a pastor is to preach and teach the Word of God and point out the errors and enemies of the gospel wherever they are. But my responsibility is primarily to my own congregation. I praise God for men like Dr. MacArthur who have an immeasurably broader audience than I. I don't think I would accomplish much by starting a nationwide crusade against these frauds. It would distract me from my God given responsibility to my small flock. Besides, that is only one of the many spiritual needs facing my people.

One of our biggest problems with prosperity theology is the mealy mouthed men of the market driven movement who are preaching a "prosperity gospel lite" themselves. The most outrageous examples (e.g., TBN) are horrific, but the people who sell their soul to pollsters are a more insidious threat. In too many churches the goal of making people feel good makes preachers allergic to stepping on toes by calling a heretic a heretic. Often their own gospel is reduced to little more than, "Jesus died to make you feel better about yourself."

Luther was great! So were Zwingli and Calvin and Knox... but Tetzel still raised lots of money and the Vatican still built their basilica and the last time I noticed they were still going strong. I doubt that we are going to put a big dent in the miracles for hire business... but at least let us warn our own friends and families and flocks.

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15 Matthew Huerta Fri, Dec 11, 2009 09:01.92 AM

Ivan,

Thank you for your honesty and integrity.

Let's deal with Saul first. Saul was a king set up under God's permission. The people wanted a tangible person to rule over them instead of God and that is what they got. David was a humble servant of God who did not find authority or pleasure in the taking of Saul's life due to God's installation of Saul as king. In a way it was God's demonstration of mercy and allowing Saul the opportunity to repent.

In the case of false teachers and prophets, David would have had NO problem stoning them to death as apostates. King Josiah slaughtered every false teacher, prophet, and pagan priest he could find, and he was declared a righteous king.

Concerning the false teachers and prophets today, the majority of them have been told they were un-Biblical and heretical. They choose to ignore Biblical council and continue to spew their self elevating false doctrine and ensnare millions each year. We are to, just as you mentioned, contend earnestly for the faith.

Furthermore, these false teachers are holding the role of Pastor/Teacher, Elder, Overseer which makes them even more accountable for their actions and words. When they speak falsely, I see texts in the Bible that seem to direct us to PUBLICLY rebuke them.

2 Corinthians 11:13 “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.”

2 Timothy 2:17-18 “And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymeneus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

3 John:9-10 “I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.”

Romans 16:17 “Mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1 Timothy 5:20 "Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning."

This verse in 1 Timothy is dealing DIRECTLY with elders as well.

As you correctly pointed out, you should not be prideful in your rebuke.

Galatians 6:1 "Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; {each one} looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted."

I hope this helps.

Blessings.

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16 Daniel Abbey Fri, Dec 11, 2009 09:51.37 AM

wow. i hope to print this article and give it to everyone i know who is captive to TBN. what a must-read.

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17 Scott McClare Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:51.11 AM

"[R]eligious quacks are actually multiplying at a frightening pace" . . . "The only people who actually get rich by this scheme, of course, are the televangelists." . . . "Like Tetzel, TBN preys on the poor and plies them with false promises. Yet what is happening daily on TBN is many times worse than the abuses that Luther decried because it is more widespread and more flagrant." . . . "Thus TBN devours the poor while making the charlatans rich."


Wow. Don't mince words, Pastor MacArthur, tell us how you really feel!

And thanks for telling us. Watching the con artists on TBN, God TV and elsewhere just makes me nauseated. I always felt that the portrait of evangelists in Elmer Gantry was a caricature, until I saw some of the garbage that was going on last summer at the so-called Lakeland "Revival." If Sinclair Lewis were writing the same novel today, it would actually be a model of restraint.

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18 William du Plooy Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:34.03 AM

It is about high time that Reformed men stand out from these apostates and heretics and form our own "community" in technological airing of the Gospel of Grace.

Here in the United Kingdom it is at fever pitch with even those more "trustworthy" Christian Broadcatsres such as UCB turning into the same sharade shows - for the love of filthy lucre and numercial support - IT IS SICKENING.

There are sufficent Evengeically Reformed ministries that broadcast to unite a new Reformed SOLA Grace Channel; what ARE WE going to do about it?


As for Way of the Master and other ministries being broadcast through TBN; I am GLAD that someone is willing to contend for the truth amongst these wolves - but we MUST also consider that by using these "networks" to air the True Gospel to many who are NOW being influenced by the Wolves has good and extremely bad effects:
a) Good:
- The Wolves get to hear the True Gospel of Mercy (Just as if they where in the marketplaces of our towns/cities.
- The many who are BEING deceived also hear the True Gospel of Mercy - Whilst BEING deceived.
- The "AIRTIME" for the false "gospel" which is not another - IS BEING REDUCED by the True Gospel taking it's place on these "Networks".

b) EXTREMELY Bad:
- The flock of our LORD are BEING CONFUSED about what the Gospel of grace TRULY is; when WE apear ALONG WITH false "shepherds"/Wolves on the same "Newtworks"/Podiums/Pulpits.
- The Wolves, probably get the IMPRESSION THAT WE LIKE THEM as "brothers" - when IDOLATERS are not even to be entertained or greeted - according with the commands of Scripture - LEST WE give the IMPRESSION to VALIDATE their claim to Christ.
- Many MAY think we DO see them as brethren - and in so DOING TURN away to the father of lies....

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
I would love to hear from the T4G, Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals and other TRULY likeminded brethren?

Solid Deo Gloria! Lifeboatman for the souls of those who are PERISHING in the storms of their own lusts, being given false hope by false temporal means.
W

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19 John Cunningham Fri, Dec 11, 2009 12:13.17 PM

Ivan, in my younger Christian years I tended to hastily react against things that were outside my "understanding". Later, I chose to be more "ecumenical", thinking that my lack of complete understanding forbade me speak against about anything that callled itself "church". Later still, I didn't hesitate to question, believing that either my understanding will be made more complete or another brother might receive a course correction. Today, I'm not so concerned with my own popularity and more concerned with protection of and edifying the flock I'm in contact with because I see the damage done by false preaching. False preaching is a reality in the church as the scriptures quoted above point out. We must protect the weaker ones around us and that will require you to come into conflict with others that are actually in the body or claim to be or falsely think they are.

It is nonsensical to think that, in light of scripture, unity, while sought after, must, can or should be achieved outside of Godliness. Therefore, you should continue to study, to sit under a Godly and bold pastor, to counsel with mature, Godly brothers that will call you on the carpet (becasue of their love for you and Christ) AND to exercise, with humility but exercise nonetheless, your voice of question all for the Glory of Christ.

You should have your spiritual ears on and when a buzzer goes off search the matter out. Remember that you have an obligation to others - wife, children, family, business associates and all those that are weak or lost that the Holy Spirit may bring before you. The pride trap can be on both sides - speaking out in zeal without knowledge or failure to speak out. Also consider the importance of the matter - the color of carpet in the sanctuary halls doesn't rise to the level of removing crosses from the property so as not to offend anyone. When an issue arises, prayerfully seek wisdom on how extensive the damage could be.

In some matters you can privately and directly approach one with whom you may have a conflict. Do so. In others you have no such accessibility and if their message is public so can your response be more public or within your circle of influence. You won't have to go looking for the false teachings and teachers IF you are progressing in your Christian maturity, they'll pop up.

You are obviously bold or you wouldn't have posted your question.

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20 Stefan Ewing Fri, Dec 11, 2009 12:22.12 PM

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21 Stefan Ewing Fri, Dec 11, 2009 12:27.98 PM

Having not been raised in a Christian home, my main impression of Christianity was what I saw of televangelists on Sunday mornings, and other outspoken "evangelicals" who got themselves into the news for one reason or another. These misimpressions held me back from having anything to do with Evangelical Christianity for many, many years--or even understanding what Evangelicalism truly is--almost right up until the moment when I came to saving faith in Jesus Christ.

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22 Ivan Mesa Fri, Dec 11, 2009 02:16.81 PM

Thank you guys for providing some clarity on this issue. As I mentioned earlier, it's an issue that I've often wrestled with in my life. In zeal for truth I've often bulldozed people in quite in an unloving fashion. And that, of course, is more a reflection of my heart than of the truth itself. I mean, what pride is it when I can take precious, divine truth and use it as a means to make much of me rather than of God. I want to learn the balance of passionate love for the truth and selfless love for others.

What I've often seen nowadays is a denial of Scripture's clarity where people are unwilling to speak definitively on issues in the name of "humility" and "mystery." I appreciate Pastor MacArthur's willingness to speak up on a movement that stretches the beautiful, biblical view of a God who lavishly blesses His children and cares for their every need, yet not in the way we always expect.

Again, thanks men for your thoughts.

IM

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23 Jon Hall Fri, Dec 11, 2009 07:59.37 PM

Another great article! I've listened to the Justin Peters' "A Call for Discernment" and it does a great job exposing the same exact heresies you've addressed in these two articles. I've in the meantime heard at least one person on a radio program complain about his presentation and that he would have so much more success in his ministry if he wouldn't judge other Christians like he has been doing with his presentations. How anyone can watch those clips on the "prosperity preachers" and not feel enraged is very troubling in the slightest. That is why I feel we need messages like this from faithful teachers like MacArthur and Justin Peters. Keep shedding the light on these people.

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24 Cynthia Gambill Sat, Dec 12, 2009 08:41.22 AM

Stefan Ewing stated...
"Having not been raised in a Christian home, my main impression of Christianity was what I saw of televangelists on Sunday mornings, and other outspoken "evangelicals" who got themselves into the news for one reason or another. These misimpressions held me back from having anything to do with Evangelical Christianity for many, many years--or even understanding what Evangelicalism truly is--almost right up until the moment when I came to saving faith in Jesus Christ."

Exactly my sentiments! This is why I see this issue as so dangerous, particularly for those of us who were not raised in a Christian home and never clearly exposed to correct doctrine. My quest took decades of wading through heresy via books by bestselling authors, invited to churches where scripture was not taught but a good tempo was, and the misconception that "traditional" churches were spiritually dead. These televangelists, in my view, have had a profound impact in creating an image of Christianity where it is now synonymous to greed, hypocrisy and utterly shallow to many unbelieving or seeking people who may never know the "truth" or agonize for decades because this stops them dead in their tracks, it almost did me if it wasn't for the grace of God whom I am eternally grateful.

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25 A. Amos Love Sat, Dec 12, 2009 10:31.89 AM

Need some understanding.

Much agreement with how bad the TV guys are.

What about the rest of “so called Christianity?”

Don’t most just go along with the Traditions of men”
that Jesus warned would cancel out and make void His word?

The article ended with...

“All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth
have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and
opposing these lies that masquerade as truth.”

The word leader was used.

“Christian leaders who surely know better”
“evangelical church leaders”
“After all, that is what Scripture commands church leaders to do”

Just wondering how you all reconcile the use
of the word “leader” With what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.

The word “leader”seems like a “high place.” Yes?

Jesus always took and recommended the “low place.” Yes?

Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of no reputation
and took on the form of a servant. Yes?
Php 2:7

Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples “NOT” to call
themselves master/“leaders”
for you have one master/"leader” the Christ.

King James Version -
Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.

The Interlinear Bible -
Nor be called leaders,
for one is your leader the Christ.

Phillips Modern English -
you must not let people call you leaders,
you have only one leader, Christ.

Today's English Version -
nor should you be called leader.
your one and only leader is the Messiah.

The Amplified-
you must not be called masters ( leaders )
for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ.

Jesus told His disciples not to be
called "leaders" and none did.

Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ...

Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus,
the servants of Jesus Christ...

Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you,
a servant of Christ...

Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God...
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God...
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant...

His disciples "all" called themselves "servants,"
none called themselves "leaders." None? None.
None called themselves "servant-leader." None.

All the sevant-leaders I’ve met
thought and acted like they were
leaders of the servants.

If Jesus instructed “His disciples” NOT to call themselves “leaders”
and someone calls themself a "leader"
or thinks they are a "leader;"

Are they a "disciple of Christ?"

Just wondering. Be blessed.

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26 bob morris Sat, Dec 12, 2009 01:49.72 PM

did you not read john 8:7 before you wrote this. there are many shut-in that feed by tbn. If they send them money out of a giving heart. GOD bless them still.
why do you care for money? matthew 6:25-34
Do you belive that god will destroy them that were saved by the alter call from tbn.john 8:15

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27 Matt Mager Sat, Dec 12, 2009 07:08.62 PM

Amos, look at Hebrew 13:17. Obviously Jesus means something more than just using the title of leader or else the rest of the NT wouldn't give titles to leaders such as "overseer" or "elder" or "those who have charge over you." (Titus 1; 1 Timothy 3; 1 Peter 5; 1 Thess 5). Obviously there is a difference between being in a position of leadership and loving to be in a position of leadership because of prideful selfish ambition. Jesus is condemning the latter and not the former.

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28 Janet Pinter Sun, Dec 13, 2009 07:50.75 PM

I read Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff over a period of time. Each ugly truth (which is discussed here in detail PTL!) sickened me so I couldn't continue until I had more armour around me and higher wisdom about me, which sometimes took a week between chapters. I am so worried about the old people, the shut-ins, like my mother-in-law who think watching TBN is sanctioned by the Word of God and substitutes for attending services. I attend services infrequently myself, so that's not the main problem. It's that these trusting people who can't get out of the house without a lot of assistance and prodding, if at all, are so easily misled. I pray God knows their hearts and doesn't hold watching this evil teaching against them in the end. My heart breaks for those elderly and infirmed! TBN has no standards and they don't understand that concept.

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29 A. Amos Love Mon, Dec 14, 2009 07:41.43 AM

Hi Matt - You said...

“Amos, look at Hebrew 13:17. Obviously Jesus means something more than just using the title of leader or else the rest of the NT wouldn't give titles to leaders such as "overseer" or "elder" or "those who have charge over you."

Matt, I don’t recall overseers and elders ever being refered to as leaders. I could have missed it.
They all referred to themselves as servants. Never as leaders. They took the low place like Jesus.

Sorry, I’m still using the KJV. It’s keyed to all my study books.

Heb 13:7
Remember them which have “the rule over you,”
who have spoken unto you the word of God:
whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17
Obey them that have “the rule over you,”
and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls...

Heb 13:24
Salute all them that have “the rule over you,”
and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

The Greek word “hegeomai” is 28 times in the NT.
Only 3 times as, “have the rule over” all in Heb 13.
Moderen translations often use “leader” here.

It is Strongs #2233 hegeomai. In the KJV it is translated,
KJV - count 10, think 4, esteem 3, have rule over 3, be governor 2,

As you stated, it does mean, to lead, to guide,
it also means “to go before.”
A guide who goes before? - Or - I’m the leader/boss?

Seems the qualification to who we submit to is in
Heb 13:7 “who have spoken unto you the word of God.”
Heb 13:17, “they watch for your souls.”
Not a “Title” pastor or a “position” overseer or elder,
BUT, someone who knows you and cares for you.

This hegeomai is being attentive to me.
Speaking the word of God and watching.
Not demanding that I submit to him.

If they aren’t “watching for your soul” do you submit?
Not anymore. Thank you Jesus.

The Greek word for “Obey” in Heb 13:17
is the root word for faith.

Strongs #3982 peitho - pi'-tho

KJV - persuade 22, trust 8, obey 7,
have confidence 6, believe 3, be confident 2,

Hmmm? persuade, trust, have confidence, believe.
Maybe that word “obey” then, is different
from how we understand “obey” today. Yes?

The very next verse, Heb 13:18, uses #3982 peitho also.
Only this time it is NOT obey. The word is TRUST.

Heb 13:18
Pray for us: for we *TRUST* we have a good conscience,
in all things willing to live honestly.

Paul uses #3982 peitho, here in, Gal 5:10.
I have *confidence* in you through the Lord.

Maybe we need to go to God and ask Him what
He really means here in Heb 13:17.

Deuteronomy 4:36
Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice,
that he might instruct thee.

Outside of Heb 13 in your version is “leader” ever used?
And “Elders’ are NOT mentioned as “leader” in Heb 13.

It’s interesting that “hegeomai” is also “esteem” 3 times.

Php 2:3
Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory;
but in lowliness of mind let each *esteem* other
better than themselves.

1Th 5:13
And to *esteem* them very highly
in love for their work’s sake...

The same word “hegeomai,” which many refer to as leader/boss, a high place,
is used when encouraging those who need to be in “lowliness of mind”
and to “esteem” others better than themselves.

That “ hegeomai” is different then today’s leader. Yes?
Don’t find many “leaders/pastors/elders” esteeming others
better then themselves today.
They seem to want the TOP spot.

You can tell which “hegeomai” is present when
confronted with opposition or a different opinion.

What kind of "fruit" do we see when today’s “overeer/elder” is squeezed;
“Accusation” “ Argument” “Ridicule”“Name Calling” "because I'm the leader, that's why/"
or “lowliness of mind?” “Love, joy and peace?” “Submitting, one to another?”

Elders = given to hospitality, patient, not a brawler.

Given to hospitality
Strongs #53

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30 A. Amos Love Mon, Dec 14, 2009 07:44.4 AM

Part two

Given to hospitality
Strongs #5382 philoxenos
KJV - given to hospitality 1, lover of hospitality 1,
1) hospitable, generous to guests.

But patient
Strongs #1933 epieikev {ep-ee-i-kace'}
KJV - gentle 3, patient 1, moderation 1; 5
1) seemingly, suitable 2) equitable, fair, mild, gentle.

Not a brawler
Strongs #269 amacov
KJV - not a brawler 1, no brawler 1; 2
1) not to be withstood, invincible 2) not contentious
3) abstaining from fighting.

Here’s Heb 13:17 in the “NKJAV.”

That’s the “New King James Amos Version.”

Heb 13:17
Be persuaded by, trust, and have confidence in
those you esteem and think to submit yourselves:
for they watch, pray and are paying attention to your soul...

Be blessed in your search for truth... Jesus.

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31 William du Plooy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 11:23 AM

Shepherd = servant who leads...
Servant who corrects with the rod and rebukes with the staff...
Servant who is a LEADER of the less mature...by nature of his maturity , not by virtue of a military type ranking or grading system.

I think the Good Shpeherd gave us the ability of common grace to use logic and reason; not ONLY that but He has gifted us with His Spirit of truth and grace - for discernment, growth and Unity with those of likemind...

Amos, if you do not believe in common grac e and common wisdom and reason - would you not see a GP at the A&E for a serious medical issue (Sucah as a trauma to the brain)?

This is NOT a directive of Scripture directly taught - but an area of common wisdom and grace; in line with Biblical principles that we must felsh out.
Sheep as we are we are not mere robots that run on programming - our LORD grants us sufficient grace to be able to make sense of things even in the works of His hands (Romans 1-3 and Psalm 19).

By virtue of a gifted Elder being a mature overseer and carer of the flock of God; he is a "leader" (Someone chraged with solemn responisbilities and with the care of others; but also who is responsible for training other Elders up and for spiritual oversight and growth). If this is NOT leadership - you define a new meaning to this?
True a TRUE leader is a servant- but a true leader is not in necessary oppoistion to servatitude by being a leader.

Is Jesus not our King? Or our Master? Or our Leader? Our Adonai?
If He is Lord of lords and King of kings... does that refute and abolish headship - NO it ESTABLISHES Headship, in fact this is the model the Apostles refer to often times regarding the example of male headship in the home (Which has a beautiful fullness in Ephesians 5: Servant unto death - head of the wife for her good in love).

Was Moses a false teacher or a leader gifted to Israel of old by the LORD Himself?
Was Samuel a fraud; or gifted to The Israel of God for ther enouragement?
Was David or Solomon not kings nd leaders of Israel; both national and spiritual?
Was Isaiah not the leader gven by the LORD for the encouragement of His hidden flock?

Come on; your argumant is with those who ABUSE their roles; not with those who understand thsi solemn responsibility and office of serious duty that is to be held in fear and love to our LORD and for His people...

I am not going to reason with you - as your basic reasoning seems to be with a skewered perspective in mind; judging beforehand those who you feel agrieved by for some reason.
If you judge - judge not by appearances - by with Christ's righteousness alone; judge the fruits of those who you dilligently seek to discern, you will know them as He knows them. If you then have evidence of wrongdoing follow Biblical discipline steps (Especially through your Elders- presuming you believe there are any men qualified for this duty of care).

Humbly your fellow bondslave by the merciful and unmerritted Gift of grace Alone, in the merit and righteousness of Christ Jesus Alone,
W

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32 Michael Riccardi Mon, Dec 14, 2009 04:26.87 PM

Hey... wait just a... Haven't I seen this some place before?

Oh yes! This is the one where the guy with the ax to grind picks out something from the post that the author wasn't talking about and derails the comment thread!

Don't feed the trolls, guys.

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33 A. Amos Love Tue, Dec 15, 2009 07:37.23 AM

William

“Come on; your argument is with those who ABUSE their roles;”

I agree with you here. Abuse is the issue. There is no excuse for abuse.

Abuse - dictionary

1 - use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.
2 - use or treat in such a way as to cause damage or harm.
3 - speak in an insulting and offensive way.

I have seen the dangers of "Titles," of "Pastors," and of "leaders."
Spiritual abuse for both the "leader" and those “being led.”
The word “leader” is very, very dangerous for both.

In my experience, no matter how humble, eventually...
No matter how much of a servant, eventually...

leader = exercise authority = lord it over = abuse = always

I'm not not new to "ministering healing" to those who have been abused
by those who "thought they were leaders."

Folks who've been burnt, burnt out, kicked out, or crawled out of "the religious system"
with it's leaders, submission to authority, tithes and offerings,
and other "heavy weights" put on folks shoulders.

I also spend a fair amount of time with pastors,
"so called leaders," who can't do it anymore.

Trying to please the denominational leaders,
the congregation and it's leaders,
and of course Jesus.
Who is often relegated to last place. Hmmm?
So many masters, that's tough; Yes?
Preaching every week... and it better be good, being the CEO,
the team leader, councilor, smiley face. etc. etc.

If "pastors" (as we see them today) are of God?
He's not taking very good care of His shepherds; Is He?

This is info from a website helping burned out Pastors.

PastorCare offers support and encouragement for pastors and their families.
At PastorCare we care about YOU and we want to help.

http://www.pastorcare.org/PastorCare/About_Us.html

According to the Francis A. Schaeffer Institute of Church Leadership (2007)
• 77% say they do “not” have a good marriage.
• 71% have felt burned out or depressed.
• 70% do not have someone they consider a close friend.
• 40% report a serious conflict with a parishioner at least once a month.
• 38% are divorced or seriously considering divorce.

According to the Ministering to Ministers Foundation...
• Over 1600 pastors in the U.S. are forced out of their positions each month.
• Nearly 1 in 4 pastors experience a forced termination at least once during their ministry.
•Only 54% of pastors go back into full-time church related positions.

Think we might have a problem here?
70% of pastors are depressed or burnt out. Don't have a close friend. Hmmm?

That's who is running the show. “Leadership?”
That's who is abusing God's sheep.
I have been both abused and the abuser. It’s not pretty.

1600 pastors a month, that's 18,000 a year, leave or are pushed out. Wow!!!
That's a lot of broken hearts, disappointments, feelings of failure, pain, abuse.

Hmmm? Today's “Pastor/leader,”
is this a “Title” or "position" in the scriptures?

In the Bible, How many people... have the title pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are... referred to as pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are... ordained as a pastor?
In the Bible, How many congregations are... led by a pastor?

Be blessed in your search for truth... Jesus

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34 Stan Rouse Tue, Dec 15, 2009 01:12.34 PM

Everyone here (Dr. MacArthur included) needs to check out Justin Peters Ministries; just google it. He has an excellent series titles "A Call for Discerment" that deals precisely with this issue. He went there for healing himself as a young boy and God has since shown him the way. This is not sour graps on Justin's part, a lot of what Dr. MacArthur says is validated by Mr. Peters.

Blessings,

Stan

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35 A. Amos Love Tue, Dec 15, 2009 01:55.54 PM

Michael

Sorry if you were offended by the comments about “leaders.”
These are sensitive topics to talk about.

You write....

“picks out something from the post that the author wasn't talking about”

Seems to be the article was not just about TBN
but also about “leaders” and “a solemn duty to defend the truth.”

“All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth
have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and
opposing these lies that masquerade as truth.”

“Christian leaders who surely know better”
“evangelical church leaders”
“After all, that is what Scripture commands church leaders to do”

The comments might not have been about your experience with “leaders.”
But these comments come along with much prayer, pain and tears.

Jesus warns us about “traditions of men” that nullify the word of God.

It’s personal experience, abuse by “leaders,” again and again, :-(...
that caused different questions to be asked.
And to look at the problem of “Spiritual Abuse” by leaders.
Just Google “Spiritual Abuse” and see what pops up.

Experience teaches, eventually...
leaders = exercise authority = lord it over = abuse = always

You write...

“Don't feed the trolls, guys.”

Name calling and ridicule is nothing new that is why it was mentioned.

“What kind of "fruit" do we see when today’s “overseer/elder” is squeezed;
“Accusation” “ Argument” “Ridicule” “Name Calling” "because I'm the leader, that's why."
or “lowliness of mind?” “Love, joy and peace?” “Submitting, one to another?”

Maybe, just maybe, when the next person with “an axe to grind” comes along
you’ll exhibit a little understanding. You just might learn something.

Remember,
it’s the things you learn after you know it all that really count.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear “my voice;”
and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:16

One Fold - One Shepherd - One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

Be blessed and be a blessing.

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36 Tony Watkins Fri, Dec 25, 2009 09:01.43 AM

They live up to their initials....T B N ...That Buncha Nuts.....Spiritual Nuts that Is. The false have always outnumber the True. Even in the first century the writer said 'many' false prophets have already entered the world,1 Jn.4:1. Our Lord said they would deceive 'many'. The only solution is the continuous and clear preaching of the Truth in love. Not just the preaching of Love. Their ministries demonstrate love though...love of money, love of pleasure, love of preeminence...and a host of other sins. No true preacher wants to be perceived as unloving but the faithful minister must point these things out so his people will be warned and other corrected. It was True Love walking through the temple with a whip one day that brought criticism from some but praise from the faithful. And it was True Love that sat down on the Mt. overlooking Jerusalem and warned his disciples that 'many' would come and deceive 'many' and said Beware.
John has been faithful at warning and teaching the Church through the years and has been the salvation of many hearers. This is another fresh clarion call lest we get too use to the dark.

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37 Bruce Muirhead Wed, Jun 30, 2010 01:15.41 PM

I read the entire article. (Well done1) But what I was looking for was still absent. Who will organise the churches, take the lead and get us an alternative network to TBC? When I travel to North Africa and speak with the church leaders there they all ask the same thing: "Can the churches in the West not get these phonies off the satellites?" Then the members of the different congregations, one after the other, repeat the same request.
Yes there are good people on TV too and it doesn't take much discernment for true spiritual leaders to point them out. Why can we not bring all these together and support a network whose mandate it is to promote sound teaching and so on? The church will eventually abandon the phonies when they find real comfort and blessing from healthy Christianity. The Crouches and company will fold due to lack of funds.
One added blessing: Muslims will have fewer hypocrites to point to when they criticise the Church.

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